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Skia Aumer Atlas Research Group 80	Posted - 2014.07.29 15:51:00 - [1] - Quote Sister Bliss wrote: Which other HAC does 670dps at 72k + 48k falloff? Or 752 dps at 41k + 18k falloff? But sentries are oh so vulnerable! Wait a minute... A typical Ishtar sports 80k EHP, which is fine. But it can field at least 15 sentries, 8k EHP each. And it's whooping 120k EHP. I'd suggest reducing base sentry EHP and/or remove drone HP bonus for Ishtar.
Skia Aumer Atlas Research Group 80	Posted - 2014.07.29 15:59:00 - [2] - Quote Cherry Yeyo wrote: Its so easy to bomb and wipe out an entire fleet I'm sure you did it many times, wouldn't be a problem to link your killboard. Or would it? Bomber were there for ages, and for ages there were large BS fleets. If a fleet has a proper anti-bomber support, it's close to impossible to bomb them.
Skia Aumer Atlas Research Group 80	Posted - 2014.07.29 16:17:00 - [3] - Quote Sister Bliss wrote: The only BS fleets you tend to see now... What you see now may have very little to do with bombers. For example, it's really annoying to make 10 to 20 jumps to get a fight while in a battleship. Why, if you can use Ishtar instead? My point stands - bombers and battleships have a very long mutual history. And now we have MJD.
Skia Aumer Atlas Research Group 80	Posted - 2014.07.29 16:25:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: how would you feel about an 8/4/7 Tempest? How about just plain buff in EHP?
Skia Aumer Atlas Research Group 81	Posted - 2014.07.29 16:51:00 - [5] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: We feel that in general it's an interesting and positive part of drone design that they aren't fixed to ship sizes nearly as strictly as other weapon types. We just need to find ways to have balanced ships as well. So again, what about their intrinsic "vulnerability", which is not working as intended. I mean, drones should be destructible, but in practice it's too damn difficult to destroy 3+ flights of fat-butt sentries in a fight of any scale. Even if you have bombers, btw. (So bombers are not OP, just someone cannot use anti-bomber measures.)
Skia Aumer Atlas Research Group 81	Posted - 2014.07.29 17:38:00 - [6] - Quote Rivr Luzade wrote: I get more tank out of my Oracle than my ratting/PVP hybrid (not the weapon system) Ishtar and my pure PVP Ishtar, while having similar DPS and range. Folks, that's just stupid. Rise has acknowledged that sentry Ishtars are OP. And they are OP on purpose. But to compensate, they have enormous downsides, i.e. sentries are destructable. The problem is, that they can not be destructed in any practical way I can think of.
Skia Aumer Atlas Research Group 81	Posted - 2014.07.29 18:25:00 - [7] - Quote Rivr Luzade wrote: Skia Aumer wrote: Folks, that's just stupid. Rise has acknowledged that sentry Ishtars are OP. And they are OP on purpose. But to compensate, they have enormous downsides, i.e. sentries are destructable. The problem is, that they can not be destructed in any practical way I can think of. Bomb runs? Forcing Ishtars to warp off and then shoot or scoop them? Frigates? Dedicated ships? Mobile drones from your ships? 1. Bomb runs could be a counter for a slow ship like Domi, but Ishtars are highly mobile and they can (and often do) deploy drones in a large cloud, which is by no means easy to bomb. Furthermore, they have 3 flights (+3 more in cargo) so the bombing is just a waste of bombs. Also never forget the anti-bombing support that you should always bring for the big battles. And finally, in medium to small fleets (when every ship matters) bomber wing is a luxury you cannot afford. 2. A reasonable Ishtar will rewarp and reconnect sooner than you start shooting the drones, leave alone scooping them. And how one can force them to rewarp - I cant even guess. 3. Frigates? Lolwhat? 4. Dedicated ships? What could it be? Smartbombing battleships maybe? They are irrelevant for the same reason as bombers. 5. My drones will eat 1 sentry per minute at best. Now again, Ishtar has 15 to 30 drones, and in that time spawn the battle should be over. Finally, if Ishtar fleet runs out of drones - you can always jump a carrier under the POS field and replenish them all.
Skia Aumer Atlas Research Group 81	Posted - 2014.07.29 18:38:00 - [8] - Quote Omnathious Deninard wrote: On the Ishtar, I would like to see it get -1 Mid and +1 low to encourage armor tanking. I like a shield Ishtar more than an armor one. Why do you want it gone?
Skia Aumer Atlas Research Group 81	Posted - 2014.07.29 19:49:00 - [9] - Quote Xequecal wrote: What are you going to use against a sniping Ishtar fleet? Typhoons.
Skia Aumer Atlas Research Group 81	Posted - 2014.07.29 19:56:00 - [10] - Quote Xequecal wrote: when you're 130km away ...then you rewarp.

Skia Aumer Atlas Research Group 83	Posted - 2014.07.30 07:43:00 - [11] - Quote A simple test to know if enormous drawback is working as intended. If tomorrow they reduce sentry drone EHP by 50%, would you still be using them?
Skia Aumer Atlas Research Group 84	Posted - 2014.07.30 15:14:00 - [12] - Quote SFM Hobb3s wrote: bombers are precisely why the big boys don't field battleships more often And again, big boys of ye olde nullsec did use battleships because a) there were no bombers, b) they had no MJD which only distracts pilot attention and is useless otherwise, c) the grass was greener. FYI, bombers can wipe fleets of Tengus and even Mighty Ishtars. Yet, those ships are still in use.
Skia Aumer Atlas Research Group 84	Posted - 2014.07.30 15:24:00 - [13] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Neckbeard Nolyfe wrote: Its good at ganking. It is the cheapest ship in the game that does around 1k dps combined with 2 heavy neuts, and its speed makes it a perfect capital/supercapital ganking ship. The typhoon does better (1170 dps with 2 neuts 1358 with 1 neut When it comes to super ganks, missile platform is not the best choice, because of smartbombs.
Skia Aumer Atlas Research Group 84	Posted - 2014.07.30 15:51:00 - [14] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Get at zero, missile exist only during the tick of the launching, smartbombs only kill missiles on the tick after they launched. Keep at zero and the smartbombs will not kill the missiles (tested it several times, altough on normal carriers, but mechanic should be the same. It is the same thing as pointing interceptors, need a lot of luck for the smartbomb to kill anything on that scenario). You will miss the first shots while you approach but hardy something so important to make the tempest the best choice. And you would need several smartbombs to kill torpedos (a single large one is not enough) Fair enough, except that 1 SB activation is enough to destroy a torpedo (and more than enough if we talk about faction and officer SBs often found on supers). Yet, Tempest is a viable choice for that purpose too.
Skia Aumer Atlas Research Group 84	Posted - 2014.07.31 06:01:00 - [15] - Quote Trinkets friend wrote: CCP Rise wrote: Sentry drones have enormous downsides. They can be killed like other drones AND they don't return to your ship. There's a reason they were never used at all until assist + these tracking/optimal bonuses came along. What? ... The Sentry has about 2500 EHP, so it takes a lot of time to kill that one sentry. In fact, it has about 8000 EHP. And to those people who cannot refit drones from cargo - it takes some practice, but quite feasible. So, 6 flights of sentries on the Ishtar equals 240k EHP to deal with.
Skia Aumer Atlas Research Group 84	Posted - 2014.08.01 15:53:00 - [16] - Quote You people argue on the wrong question. Sentries are OP, and it's by design. Also, by design they have enormous drawbacks, which dont work though. Now would you please stop spamming those innumerable comparisons.

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